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Post by benaj on Sept 28, 2018 16:46:41 GMT
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Post by littleoldlady on Sept 28, 2018 16:51:00 GMT
When I tried to download the welcome letter from the new site my virus checker (MCafee) said it contained a virus. If anyone has downloaded it could they copy & paste it here please?
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Post by benaj on Sept 28, 2018 17:09:07 GMT
The welcome letter below:-
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Dear Shareholder
Welcome to the UK Diversified Property plc (the “PLC”). We are very pleased to
welcome you to our website and to being a shareholder in our company.
The PLC was formed to bring together the entire portfolio of buy-to-let
properties acquired by Property Moose investors. By bringing together the
properties into a single structure, it is hoped that cost savings and efficiencies
will lead to higher shareholder returns. There are 100 properties in the portfolio,
which are currently individually owned by separate combinations of
shareholders. Significant improvements to profitability will be possible by
combining the assets into single legal entity and paying dividends accordingly.
We’re currently working with two independent valuation firms to undertake the
property valuations so that a correct purchase price can be established for the
PLC to acquire the SPVs. You will be issued one ordinary share in the PLC for
every £0.01 (one pence) of value of your current ownership of each of the
properties.
Following this, you will be contacted by Property Moose to make one final
change to your original choice between Option 1 (remain invested) and Option 2
(redeem your investment at the earliest opportunity at the current value). You
will have 5 days to respond to this vote so please do keep an eye on your
Property Moose email. Following the issue of the shares, you will be issued with
an investment certificate noting your shareholding. In the meantime, you will see
a temporary investment certificate noting the shares that you have transferred
to the PLC.
Currently, 15% of shareholders have indicated that they want to redeem their
shares at the current value. We do hope that this will reduce and more investors
will remain invested whilst the market matures as we truly believe that, as a
single portfolio, the PLC offers an exciting and rewarding opportunity. More
redemptions will result in the PLC having less funds available for future
acquisitions to re-balance the portfolio and may result in the listing being at risk.
There will be more information provided over time but we would like to share
some key details below:
• Distributions will be made quarterly on or around the last working day of
February, May, August and November (if applicable). Over the last
quarter of 2018 rental income will be used to cover costs and finish
known property improvements. Dividends are expected from February
2019 assuming that finance is secured before then and the refurbishment
program has progressed as planned (thus improving capital values and
rental returns for shareholders).
• Portfolio updates will be provided on a quarterly basis with any
exceptional reporting being made on an ad-hoc basis. All reporting will
be issued within your investor dashboard.
• The intention is to bring in bank mortgage finance at no more than 50%
LTV (Loan To Value) as soon as possible. It is likely this will be done in
tranches with the aim of, subject to bank approvals and timings, bringing
in the first tranche before the end of 2018. These funds will be used to
repay Option 2 investors. Excess funds will be used to acquire further
properties in order to increase the portfolio’s capacity to produce rental
income and capital growth. There are some very exciting projects that
have been shown via the hopeful partnership with the asset manager
below and we’ll be in touch with further details within your investor
dashboard.
• Bank finance is expected to be secured at rates that should enhance
rental yields once fully mature (indicative rates of a 3% p.a. fixed
margin), thus increasing overall returns and the dividends payable.
• The intention over the next 12 months is to list the PLC’s shares on the
London Stock Exchange. Early discussions with the exchange and our
legal advisors are very positive but it is very important that the PLC
retains as much capital as possible (i.e. Option 1 votes) to make this
successful. Once listed:
o shareholders will have daily liquidity (subject to market
conditions and trading);
o the PLC will no-longer be subject to corporation tax on buy-to-let
income, saving 19%, once registered as a REIT with HMRC and
therefore increasing returns for shareholders;
o subject to registering as a REIT, shares currently held can be
transferred to certain personal pensions. This gives up to 45% tax
relief to investors on their total investment amount. We expect
this to be a real reason for more shareholders to choose to
transfer into the PLC, since it further improves net returns and so
makes up for losses sustained in recent months; and
o subject to registering as a REIT, new investments can be made via
ISAs or personal pensions for 0% tax on returns.
• We are hoping to appoint a leading UK and EU real estate asset manager
to act as the PLC’s property manager and to provide access to their
acquisition pipeline and due diligence processes. The asset manager has
access to significant high quality opportunities so, with the help of
additional finance, we can start generating better returns for
shareholders.
We believe that the new organisation will be a considerable improvement for
investors. There will be less overheads, better revenues, more flexibility, and
once we complete the process there will be more liquidity. We believe that all
our shareholders put money into Property Moose SPVs originally because they
wanted it to be safe, secure from the effects of inflation, paying a return and
stored in property. For that reason, we hope that most are unlikely to want to
turn it back into cash prematurely when a long term secure return, invested in
property that has already been acquired is still yet to mature, is available.
We are very excited about the opportunity to grow the portfolio and deliver
strong overall returns to our investors.
Yours truly,
UK Diversified Property plc
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Disclaimer
UK Diversified Property PLC has issued this update for information purposes
only. The facts and information contained within the update are accurate to the
best of our knowledge but you should rely on your own due diligence and
investigations before relying or acting on the information. UK Diversified
Property PLC shall not be liable for any information contained in this update for
any loss, action, cost or damages (including loss of profit and special damages) in
respect of the update or any action taken as a result of the update. This does not
seek to exclude any liability for death or personal injury. This update is not a
financial promotion under the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000
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Post by kaya on Sept 29, 2018 10:55:58 GMT
It is a mind-boggling change from what we invested in. Will these new 'shares' have any real value i.e will anyone else want to buy them? Who knows. Will selling shares need to be through a regular share-dealing broker? Expect a long-haul if you stay.
Do I change my vote and decide to stay? I suspect that the new 'valuations' will be low, to encourage us to sign up to this new, wholly unknown, arrangement.
I am of the opinion that propertymoose should offer to buy up any shares from those wanting to exit.
It should be their loss, not ours.
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Post by penguinz on Sept 30, 2018 8:32:35 GMT
I too am worried about the liquidity of the new shares. It appears they want to register with the London Stock Exchange as some sort of REIT, this would imply daily redemptions should be possible. However I note that in the email and the welcome letter that although PM/the PLC have had some positive meetings regarding the stock market listing, nothing has as yet been confirmed.
As I understand it, if I were to decline the initial ‘Option 2’, there would be no possibility to redeem the shares until the PLC is listed on the stock market. If the stock market listing were to not happen for some reason, is there a possibility to redeem shares or would I effectively be locked into my shares indefinitely?
There are plenty of REITS listed on the LSE, offered by all kinds of reputable asset managers. One could argue that this REIT is specialized as it provides exposure to Northern residential properties at the lower end of the market specifically, however I note that in the welcome letter the strategy is to diversify into city-centre properties.
The choice I face is thus between holding shares in a small REIT, with uncertain liquidity, or redeeming my shares at whatever valuation is provided, and re-investing the proceeds in one of the large, liquid, currently existing REIT’s run by a reputable asset manager with a long track record.
I believe that if my shares are valued at at least 85% of what I paid for my shares with Property Moose, I would take the loss and re-invest the proceeds elsewhere.
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Post by littleoldlady on Sept 30, 2018 15:07:05 GMT
85%!!!!! I would snatch that! I am afraid that 50% is more likely, but delighted to be proved wrong.
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Post by sayyestocress on Oct 4, 2018 10:18:35 GMT
They lay on the whole 'please don't choose option 2' a bit thick don't they?
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Post by wilja on Oct 8, 2018 18:04:29 GMT
It all feels a little surreal, I can’t see that any of the options will put money back in my bank, and in a weird way I want to stay invested and see how this fictional adventure Peter pans out.
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Post by carolus on Oct 9, 2018 12:54:57 GMT
It all feels a little surreal, I can’t see that any of the options will put money back in my bank, and in a weird way I want to stay invested and see how this fictional adventure Peter pans out. I agree!
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Post by m203 on Oct 17, 2018 21:31:38 GMT
So, does anyone know when the next vote is. I feel that just some mails reach me for some strange reason.
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Post by valueinvestor123 on Oct 20, 2018 11:30:58 GMT
When will it be listed in the stock exchange and when can we see the valuation? I think it was me who suggested they convert to a REIT. It’s much more tax efficient and should also be more liquid eventually. But I wonder what the discount is going to be.
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Post by hazellend on Oct 20, 2018 11:35:08 GMT
When will it be listed in the stock exchange and when can we see the valuation? I think it was me who suggested they convert to a REIT. It’s much more tax efficient and should also be more liquid eventually. But I wonder what the discount is going to be. Discount will be unfathomable.
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Post by valueinvestor123 on Oct 20, 2018 11:38:41 GMT
Possibly. Nobody knows.
When will the trading price be known though? Once it's listed, fund managers and pension funds will have access to this investment too so whatever the assets are worth, the market will find its price.
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Post by hazellend on Oct 20, 2018 12:37:28 GMT
Possibly. Nobody knows. When will the trading price be known though? Once it's listed, fund managers and pension funds will have access to this investment too so whatever the assets are worth, the market will find its price. Pension funds won't be interested in this. It's complete junk.
I doubt it will be listed on a stock exchange. It will most likely remain an unlisted, illquid REIT.
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Post by valueinvestor123 on Oct 20, 2018 13:04:09 GMT
Then they would have to unwind the whole portfolio and give investors back their money. How much are the assets worth and what's their debt situation? I doubt they would bother converting to a REIT if they were a basket case? The problem with these types of investments is the cost: they way they were structured before, it was too expensive to run. Maybe it will still be too expensive to run even now. It would be good to look at their balance sheets at some point. If they are not over-leveraged, I don't think they are a basket case.
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