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Post by Greenwood2 on Jul 23, 2016 6:20:52 GMT
An interesting development, looking forward to seeing the details when the first one arrives on the platform.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jul 29, 2016 6:15:16 GMT
First loan available CITR 5% tax relief for five years, good if you're a high rate tax payer. Still waiting to see what an SITR loan will look like.
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Post by pikestaff on Aug 1, 2016 12:55:03 GMT
First loan available CITR 5% tax relief for five years, good if you're a high rate tax payer. Still waiting to see what an SITR loan will look like. The loan is now live.
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Post by agent69 on Aug 6, 2016 8:03:20 GMT
First loan available CITR 5% tax relief for five years, good if you're a high rate tax payer. Still waiting to see what an SITR loan will look like. The loan is now live. But doesn't appear to be too popular
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Post by pikestaff on Aug 6, 2016 9:50:57 GMT
Which is a shame. It's a decent, low risk proposition for higher rate taxpayers. I think it needs a re-launch, but I'm not sure that TC has enough lenders who will want this kind of investment even when it's properly explained to them. Too many are obsessed with funding property development at high rates.
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Post by tybalt on Aug 6, 2016 12:10:04 GMT
I think the majority may be chasing rate without evaluating risk. Were I higher rate this tax year I would be in.
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Post by meledor on Aug 6, 2016 13:32:53 GMT
From what I can see (and I haven't spent a lot of time on it because I'm not currently a higher rate taxpayer) I'm not so sure that it is low risk or more precisely that I can properly evaluate the risk. As it can't be sold on the SM you are locked in to a 5 year loan which is unsecured. The company is not making any profit and last year the bad debt charge was 50% of its turnover. The P&L account seems 'designed' to come out at nil profit through the receipt of certain grants up to the required level. In other words the company does not seem to be operating or reporting on a normal commercial basis. If I cannot make sense of the business model how can I understand the risk?
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Post by Liz on Aug 6, 2016 15:15:20 GMT
From what I can see (and I haven't spent a lot of time on it because I'm not currently a higher rate taxpayer) I'm not so sure that it is low risk or more precisely that I can properly evaluate the risk. As it can't be sold on the SM you are locked in to a 5 year loan which is unsecured. The company is not making any profit and last year the bad debt charge was 50% of its turnover. The P&L account seems 'designed' to come out at nil profit through the receipt of certain grants up to the required level. In other words the company does not seem to be operating or reporting on a normal commercial basis. If I cannot make sense of the business model how can I understand the risk? I too don't think I can evaluate risk too well either, and I'm not a higher rate tax payer. If I were a higher rate taxpayer, I don't think I would invest, the proposition looks high risk too me, and I have put my faith into Thincats before with a few of the other loans, lend-lend for example, that I didn't fully understand and that hasn't turned out too well! I think they should concentrate on current loans and working out how to offer us security, real security this time, and not plough money and time into another vanity project. I don't think the site will survive in its current state either. Without ESO money, only the small loans would fill, and just funding a few small loans won't pay the bills for TC, or any other p2x platform.
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Post by pikestaff on Aug 6, 2016 16:16:26 GMT
From what I can see (and I haven't spent a lot of time on it because I'm not currently a higher rate taxpayer) I'm not so sure that it is low risk or more precisely that I can properly evaluate the risk. As it can't be sold on the SM you are locked in to a 5 year loan which is unsecured. The company is not making any profit and last year the bad debt charge was 50% of its turnover. The P&L account seems 'designed' to come out at nil profit through the receipt of certain grants up to the required level. In other words the company does not seem to be operating or reporting on a normal commercial basis. If I cannot make sense of the business model how can I understand the risk? TC have not done a good enough job of explaining how these social lending businesses work. They do indeed incur substantial bad debts (in this particular case about 1/5 of loans seem not to be repaid) but these are expected and have historically been covered by grant income. There are changes in the grant landscape which are making life more difficult and I would not wish to lend on the offered terms if there was not a very substantial surplus in the balance sheet, but there is a very large surplus and I do not expect that grant or other charitable funding to cover losses will dry up completely. If funding for losses did dry up, the company would have to run down its book. Net assets at 31 March were over 83% of debtors which means that, simplistically, a 17% recovery (compared to historical norms of about 80%) would see lenders repaid in full. I know it would not be quite as simple as that but the cover is more than adequate. I agree the illiquidity means this won't be for everybody but I think it compares very favourably with some other social investments out there, such as community solar and wind, now that they are no longer eligible for EIS/SEIS.
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Post by Liz on Aug 17, 2016 21:20:04 GMT
That went well then! I wonder if KC will be booted from the company now; it will save paying him to work on failed projects.
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Post by pikestaff on Jan 26, 2017 8:19:10 GMT
The proposal is back asking for a more realistic £250k and a low minimum of £75k. The IP is somewhat more helpful this time, but it does not really explain the P&L and balance sheet. I've tried to fill this gap on the VIP forum (where I am Alison) and in the Q&A.
My personal view is it's very low risk. I will be putting £10k in, which is a lot for me.
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Post by stevio on Feb 1, 2017 18:38:57 GMT
The proposal is back asking for a more realistic £250k and a low minimum of £75k. The IP is somewhat more helpful this time, but it does not really explain the P&L and balance sheet. I've tried to fill this gap on the VIP forum (where I am Alison) and in the Q&A. My personal view is it's very low risk. I will be putting £10k in, which is a lot for me. Alison? Your profile says male? I am not convinced TC will be around in 5yrs Also, if the grants will continue You also have to guess the tax relief you will need and the consequent investment amount now, to cover 5yrs worth of tax returns, although I do read there is some carry over now Need to look into doing this outside of TC to compare
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Post by Greenwood2 on Feb 2, 2017 20:40:07 GMT
Alison is male but the forum entry was his wife/partner I don't know, but was revealed somewhere, and rather than create another identity he uses Alison.
I think TC is much more likely to be around in 5 yrs than many of the new platforms, and they have a method in place for a wind down in the event of platform failure, like most of the better platforms.
I'm probably not positively in 40%+ interest for the next five years to make it a good investment for me, but almost tempted.
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Post by pikestaff on Feb 2, 2017 23:01:34 GMT
Alison? Your profile says male? Alison's my wife. The main TC account is in her name but I manage it. It was convenient to use her name on the TC forum, partly because my real name was already taken. I have opened an second account to invest in my own name in this product, because I am sure to be a higher rate taxpayer but she might not be.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jul 18, 2018 12:48:54 GMT
It's taken a while but a new social loan live on TC. (At least with these loans you don't need to worry about security, there isn't any. ) Looks quite interesting, this one is SITR, variable rate target 10% interest, as I understand it UK income tax payers should qualify for 30% tax relief, detailed explanation on TC, a few days left to run.
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