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Jul 16, 2024 17:37:30 GMT
Post by bracknellboy on Jul 16, 2024 17:37:30 GMT
Can't help feeling disappointed that people are joking about this incident, a man lost his life protecting his family. The event is a tragedy. On many levels. It is also yet another awful manifestation of the US obsession with guns and ease of access to them. But nothing that is said on here is going to be seen by anyone involved in the incident itself. So as long as the tragedy of it is acknowledged - and frankly it barely needs acknowledging because as it should be taken as read - then humour around the fringes of it is not going to do any harm. After all, it's a great British tradition to show humour in the face of adversity. Countering the dash to the next JFK conspiracy theory is not joking, it's serious. But using some humour to point out the weaknesses / fallacy is entirely in order. A dedicated Maga supporter wearing a Trump 2020 hat with the last zero crossed out with a black sharpie and a 4 scrawled in its place is humorous. At least to me. The fact that he was filmed at the scene of an attempted assassination is independent. He was there regardless. And then of course perhaps the ultimate irony: this is the the candidate supported by the massed ranks of GOP senators/governors who have made political mileage from sending out Xmas cards of them and their young kids wielding veritable arsenals of weapons. Likewise congressman who have made political capital from touting AR-15 lapel badges symbolising their allegiance to all the lunacy that flows from the second amendment. And a candidate who himself has genuflected to the NRA to elicit the votes of its gun loving members. Shot at by a young man at a political rally with an AR-15 that he could pick up with ease. Dozens of young people get killed in school shootings. Or in shopping malls. Those mentioned in the para above routinely send their "thoughts and prayers", and then do zero about gun safety/gun control. And have done for years. I think the real joke and tragedy is in the hypocrisy of the above. The real target here was Trump. Not the innocent bystander who tragically got killed. In the big picture of American gun crime he is, very sadly, no more than a rounding error. Taken as an average, there were approximately another 117 such mini tragedies on the same day. I think we can be allowed to find a little humour around the fringes of this particular event.
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Jul 16, 2024 17:50:56 GMT
Post by keitha on Jul 16, 2024 17:50:56 GMT
yes but the shooter had an AK47 is is one of US friends puts it "a point and spray" weapon rather than a precision weapon Thought it was an AR-15 or adjacent? the first report I read said AK-47 now appears to be an AR-15 clone, just reading it says with an AR-15 the average shooter can hit a car at 400-600 yards not exactly precision
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Post by michaelc on Jul 16, 2024 21:52:22 GMT
We're not there yet of course but we're certainly moving in that direction. With the number of Muslims in Europe predicted to increase significantly in the near future, the UK's share of Muslims in the population could rise from 6.3 percent in 2016 to 17.2 percent by 2050.www.statista.com/topics/4765/islam-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/
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Jul 16, 2024 22:46:35 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Jul 16, 2024 22:46:35 GMT
We're not there yet of course but we're certainly moving in that direction. With the number of Muslims in Europe predicted to increase significantly in the near future, the UK's share of Muslims in the population could rise from 6.3 percent in 2016 to 17.2 percent by 2050.www.statista.com/topics/4765/islam-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/"could". 2016 was 8 years ago. 2050 is 26 years time. So we're just over 30% into that time interval. To be on-track for that prediction, the UK Islamic population would now have to be 9.65%. The 2021 census said 6.0%, or 6.5% if you take just England and Wales.
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Post by alender on Jul 17, 2024 10:33:54 GMT
Although this was put out as joke it is also is a note on the direction of travel of the UK. Interesting some on the left think that humour about the shooting is fine, would be interesting to know their response if this was Biden who was shot. UK is not immune to this sort of thing, 2 MPs killed in a few years, many MPs under threats of violence over Gaza, offices fire bombed and Nigel Farage attacked a number of times.
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 17, 2024 10:39:38 GMT
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Jul 17, 2024 11:36:17 GMT
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Post by benaj on Jul 17, 2024 11:36:17 GMT
$299 a pair. 🤣🤣🤣
size 10/11/12 sold out?
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Post by adrianc on Jul 17, 2024 11:59:22 GMT
Never mind those, how about the $500 golf shoes? Soooooo tasteful. Six of the nine sizes sold out. gettrumpsneakers.com/products/trump-presidential-golf-shoesGrifters gonna grift. Mmmhmm. CIC Ventures LLC is Trump's own image rights company. 45Footwear LLC tracks to a semi-anonymous business agent of negotiable ethics, with history of iffy shell companies, dealing with cybercriminals (including in Russia, the Middle East, and the subcontinent), and strong links to an Iranian web outfit. Absolutely unfeasible that could possibly be an arm's length front for Trump himself, I'm sure. No, no, surely not.
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Post by james100 on Jul 17, 2024 12:11:03 GMT
300 bucks and "The images shown are for illustration purposes only and may not be an exact representation of the product." Financially extortionate, blazing with inflammatory rhetoric and no guarantee of truth. How very appropriate.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 17, 2024 12:19:58 GMT
We're not there yet of course but we're certainly moving in that direction. With the number of Muslims in Europe predicted to increase significantly in the near future, the UK's share of Muslims in the population could rise from 6.3 percent in 2016 to 17.2 percent by 2050.www.statista.com/topics/4765/islam-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/"could". 2016 was 8 years ago. 2050 is 26 years time. So we're just over 30% into that time interval. To be on-track for that prediction, the UK Islamic population would now have to be 9.65%. The 2021 census said 6.0%, or 6.5% if you take just England and Wales. The time interval between 2016 and 2050 being 34 years, in 2024 we are just 8/34ths into the period, or 24%, rendering the 9.65% interpolation above invalid (leaving aside that it also assumes a uniform birth rate across the populations being compared, which isn't valid either). If the UK really did have 6.3% in 2016, and the 2021 census really does say 6.0%, that would suggest the Islamic contingent was falling for 5 years... ...not sure that passes the sniff test either.
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 17, 2024 12:22:33 GMT
300 bucks and "The images shown are for illustration purposes only and may not be an exact representation of the product." Financially extortionate, blazing with inflammatory rhetoric and no guarantee of truth. How very appropriate. Currently seems like a winning formula in both areas
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Post by benaj on Jul 17, 2024 12:23:20 GMT
But how accurate is the UK census? Do “legal aliens” living in the UK whom don’t speak English at all bothered to fill the form accurately?
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 17, 2024 12:25:35 GMT
Although this was put out as joke it is also is a note on the direction of travel of the UK. Interesting some on the left think that humour about the shooting is fine, would be interesting to know their response if this was Biden who was shot. UK is not immune to this sort of thing, 2 MPs killed in a few years, many MPs under threats of violence over Gaza, offices fire bombed and Nigel Farage attacked a number of times. It appears some believe Trump had himself shot as an advertising gimmick to sell more merchandise.
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Jul 17, 2024 12:37:10 GMT
Post by bracknellboy on Jul 17, 2024 12:37:10 GMT
Although this was put out as joke it is also is a note on the direction of travel of the UK. Interesting some on the left think that humour about the shooting is fine, would be interesting to know their response if this was Biden who was shot.UK is not immune to this sort of thing, 2 MPs killed in a few years, many MPs under threats of violence over Gaza, offices fire bombed and Nigel Farage attacked a number of times. if you are referring to forumites, I'd suggest that would be a wildly inaccurate assumption and misinterpretation. I suspect everyone who has commented on this thread regards the attempted shooting of Trump as a catastrophe, and a tragedy for democracy. Don't conflate the use of humour with a lack of concern over events.
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Jul 17, 2024 12:39:52 GMT
Post by adrianc on Jul 17, 2024 12:39:52 GMT
But how accurate is the UK census? Do “legal aliens” living in the UK whom don’t speak English at all bothered to fill the form accurately? The minute you start doubting official statistics because they don't fit your preconceptions is the minute we give up on any kind of rational debate.
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