Steerpike
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Post by Steerpike on Mar 3, 2021 13:36:25 GMT
Very long report.
- Long hoped for refinance has failed, one alternative has dropped out leaving one bank still in negotiation - Alternative strategy of selling empty properties has started - Additional short term funding has been raised secured against portions of the portfolio - Rental occupancy rate has fallen and receipts are lower than the same period a year ago
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Post by penguinz on Mar 3, 2021 21:54:51 GMT
All bad news. Will they be able to pull off the listing without the bank financing?
Alternatively, maybe its better to just sell off the entire portfolio and liquidate the fund.
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Post by valueinvestor123 on Mar 4, 2021 9:22:56 GMT
Every report since the beginning has been filled with false optimism and ambitions, that were clearly unattainable. It is not clear when exactly they knew, they would get rejected by the bank for refinancing; it may well have been ages ago as it has been dragging for forever. I am sure there is some misinformation there too. Clearly the banks are looking at the portfolio and are not liking something. Instead of saying straight what the problems are, they are blaming it on banks' 'bad behaviour' and difficult climate. This is clearly non sense; the residential property market is very healthy at the moment.
It is better to liquidate the portfolio and return monies to shareholders, especially while exempt from stamp duties (if applicable). Although I don't know if they can, as I suspect there might be many gremlins in the cupboard they haven't told us about (and will probably blame it on someone else's 'bad behaviour'). If the portfolio is clean and not overvalued, then there should be nothing to worry about. What annoys me is that, it is not clear where all the rent is going (they say it's costs and renovations) but it is really not clear...Since not all properties need renovation, only a proportion should be going to costs and renovations, shareholders should be given the rest as dividends, at least as some kind of token for waiting all this time.
I don't like the smell of it anymore and I think the time has come to liquidate the whole lot.
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Post by valueinvestor123 on Mar 4, 2021 9:26:07 GMT
Very long report.
- Long hoped for refinance has failed, one alternative has dropped out leaving one bank still in negotiation - Alternative strategy of selling empty properties has started - Additional short term funding has been raised secured against portions of the portfolio - Rental occupancy rate has fallen and receipts are lower than the same period a year ago
"- Long hoped for refinance has failed, one alternative has dropped out leaving one bank still in negotiation" They may have known for a long time that this wasn't going to work. The other bank is extremely unlikely going to finance, since nobody else wants to. "- Alternative strategy of selling empty properties has started" They need to sell down to service/pay down the debt. They are selling the easiest properties first. No idea whether they will even be able to sell the rest of the portfolio (and at what price). "- Additional short term funding has been raised secured against portions of the portfolio" This just adds more (expensive) debt. "- Rental occupancy rate has fallen and receipts are lower than the same period a year ago" Yeah, I really don't understand what is happening with all the rent or where it is going. I believed in this venture. But the reports, really putting me off. (They are either not actually facing up to the facts or are downright misleading).
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Steerpike
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Post by Steerpike on Mar 4, 2021 11:25:47 GMT
The portfolio consists mostly of low value low quality housing in undesirable areas and consequently maintenance and operating costs are high, not typical bank fodder. Short term finance, probably, is secured against the sounder investments and at the quoted rate and LTV may be the best chance of making money from this enterprise. Debt repayment, management overheads, and disposal costs will consume much of the asset value.
A canny entrepreneur with low operating costs and a band of reliable keenly priced tradesmen might be able to make this ship float.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 5, 2021 10:51:38 GMT
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Post by penguinz on Apr 1, 2021 20:30:47 GMT
Email is in, they will sell off the portfolio as they couldn’t get the long-awaited finance, after paying off three different types of creditors.
I wonder how much will be left for shareholders when all is said and done.
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Post by benaj on Apr 2, 2021 10:03:06 GMT
From the FAQ.
What happened to those AGMs? Has anyone been to one?
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Post by penguinz on Apr 2, 2021 22:57:10 GMT
Nope, was never informed of an AGM. You would think shareholders permission would be required to radically change company strategy and sell of the portfolio.
On the bright side, at least the property market is strong now.
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 2, 2021 23:27:32 GMT
Nope, was never informed of an AGM. You would think shareholders permission would be required to radically change company strategy and sell of the portfolio. On the bright side, at least the property market is strong now. There is no requirement for a private company to hold an AGM, it is at the discretion of the directors. Under the Company Articles the direction of the company & its business is entirely the responsibility of the directors. I believe shareholders can requisition a general meeting with the support of a qualifying value of shareholders (5%?)
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Post by keystone on Apr 3, 2021 11:18:46 GMT
I believe shareholders can requisition a general meeting with the support of a qualifying value of shareholders (5%?) 5% that's probably what will be left for shareholders after all the debt to creditors, management costs, renovations and maintenance costs are taken care of. This has turned out to be another pipedream gone wrong using investors funds. A few points 1) Taking out expensive loan notes when mortgages should have been taken in the first place 2) Taking out even more loans with priority rights from a select number of shareholders, when was this announced? 3) Selective distribution of monthly communications to shareholders, which apparently will be fixed from this month, a bit late isn't it now the the plan is in shatters. 4) Spending 3+ years trying to float the business with nothing positive to show 5) Spending £10,000 on renovations on a property valued at £30,000, where the neighbouring properties had never sold at a higher price then £35,000 6) Where has the monthly rent disappeared to?
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Post by penguinz on Apr 8, 2021 10:25:37 GMT
Nope, was never informed of an AGM. You would think shareholders permission would be required to radically change company strategy and sell of the portfolio. On the bright side, at least the property market is strong now. There is no requirement for a private company to hold an AGM, it is at the discretion of the directors. Under the Company Articles the direction of the company & its business is entirely the responsibility of the directors. I believe shareholders can requisition a general meeting with the support of a qualifying value of shareholders (5%?) Thanks for that Ilmoro, didn’t realise that was the case. Let’s see how long it takes for them to sell everything off, and what is left for us after the creditors have been paid off.
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Post by gandalf1 on Jun 11, 2021 7:22:54 GMT
UK Diversified Property PLC is a Public Limited Company not a private limited company.
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Post by j on Aug 30, 2021 11:00:31 GMT
Very much doubt we'll see much back from this venture
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Post by adrianc on Jan 4, 2022 9:42:42 GMT
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