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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 8:02:36 GMT
What will be interesting is the affect this change has on FC's competitors. Clearly the market is ending up with a large elephant in small teashop problem, other portals either need to learn how to survive in the FC space or go and hang out with the bad lads having a fag at the end of the alley. Right now I'll hang out with the lads, but time may show that the only game is in with the elephant.
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Post by pa on Aug 23, 2017 9:57:55 GMT
There has been a shift in the investment community over the past couple of years towards robo-advisors.
Basically if you were an enthusiastic investor you'd probably have your money invested already so there is no point in trying to sell you a product. The untapped money is with people for who shares are "too complicated" or "too risky". The people selling these products are hunting for money to feed the market and not worried about its behaviour.
For me, FC are just doing the same thing.
Essentially they stopped me from being able to be a stock picker and told me I can only buy their managed product
Like a few others on the thread, I stopped bidding on loans after the switch away from the auction model. I've been drawing funds down as they become available. All my loans are 14.8%+ (apart from the defaults and a certain London Property loan). Not being able to sell the loans quickly and at a hefty premium if I ever needed to is a bit annoying but not the end of the world.
FC doesn't care about me (and as long as I can withdraw funds that doesn't bother me). Now that they platform is established, it makes better business sense for them to target the larger pool of untapped money that doesn't want to (and now can't) ask questions than the smaller volume that do.
I started with FC as (without sounding like a P2P fanatic) I wanted to see my money work in the economy instead of being sequestered away - which IMHO is what has happened with QE which is why we've seen such high asset price inflation. For me, FC doesn't offer that anymore - it has just become a conduit for risk takers to pull money from the future from those who have saved it in the past.
I find that a very scary prospect. When there is no one left to invest - and I hope that this isn't the case - we'll find out that lenders have been covering deficits instead of funding investment as there has been no one to do the DD. In that situation diversification doesn't help.
In short I think that it is a shame what FC is doing but I can understand why. I'm more concerned about what this means for the overall model where a few bad apples can spoil a whole barrel.
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Post by valerieb on Aug 23, 2017 10:03:50 GMT
Well thank you for dropping by I'll be popping over later to have a look around the Assetz house and see if it's to my liking.
Well, I've been residing in the AC house since it was a new build and so far not a single penny of mine has fallen through the floorboards. But, to return to FC, do we know for sure whether we would get to see any details of the loans chosen for us? Wouldn't it be 'fairer' and simpler for FC to lump all the loans in the chosen box together, work out the overall gain/loss on a rolling basis and divide that between the 'investors'. That's got to be a lot easier than allowing said 'investors' to kick up a fuss if the algorithm allocates them more than the average number of duds and they end up earning less than the mean, assuming we know what the mean is.
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Post by valerieb on Aug 23, 2017 10:18:21 GMT
Oh, just noticed these gems in the terms and conditions. '.........we've included new circumstances where a borrower may be defaulted, for example where they are abusive to FC employees' Borrowers beware as you can be chucked out too '.....we believe any action you undertake(.......) will have an adverse effect on the FC platform or FC's reputation'
You see, just as with Brexit and Trump, you've got to stick around to see how things pan out - call it a perverse form of schadenfreude where you get to share in the suffering. Sorry FC, don't chuck me out until Short term London and Absolute Disaster have coughed up; make allowances, I'm just ******* ****** ***, a little disappointed.
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Post by blender on Aug 23, 2017 10:53:29 GMT
One good thing about an independent forum is that FC cannot reliably link a poster on it with an FC account. So, go for it valerieb. You are safe here if you stick with forum rules.
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Post by ashtondav on Aug 23, 2017 11:27:05 GMT
Can't see FC giving a flying duck about this forum consisting as it does of an educated elite minority.
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Post by kaya on Aug 23, 2017 11:47:14 GMT
That's wonderful description of forumites ashtondav, I've never been called that before. And I thought we were all just quackers.
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Post by jethro on Aug 23, 2017 13:02:15 GMT
What do people think about buying up some e grade loans now at a good price, and then holding till they run down?
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Post by voss on Aug 23, 2017 13:03:34 GMT
I shall be taking my funds elsewhere but I'm not sure where. Where will the bot runners and flippers go? I want to avoid them
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Post by bg on Aug 23, 2017 13:06:37 GMT
What do people think about buying up some e grade loans now at a good price, and then holding till they run down? Probably fine as long as you are well diversified as there will be defaults (i would say min 50 loans). Main thing about this that would worry me is if you decide to withdraw some of your money you don't know what FC will sell for you so you may well be left with a less diversified portfolio than you would like (unless they sell down in a clever way)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 13:54:33 GMT
The whole change over process from business model A to business model B is going to be interesting. I guess half of the people will be better off and half worse off. I suspect FC will be in the first group.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Aug 23, 2017 14:18:28 GMT
I suspect it is more like 95% will be =slightly= better off, 5% will be =quite a lot= worse off, and one (FC) will be a lot better off. Likely that most of this forum's readers will be in the 5% though.
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Post by kaya on Aug 23, 2017 15:26:52 GMT
What do people think about buying up some e grade loans now at a good price, and then holding till they run down? That is worth considering. I've been selling those I don't want to keep to maturity, but buying others to keep to maturity. It may be especially worth considering shorter-term loans with just a couple of years to run.
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Post by blender on Aug 23, 2017 17:08:40 GMT
What do people think about buying up some e grade loans now at a good price, and then holding till they run down? Probably fine as long as you are well diversified as there will be defaults (i would say min 50 loans). Main thing about this that would worry me is if you decide to withdraw some of your money you don't know what FC will sell for you so you may well be left with a less diversified portfolio than you would like (unless they sell down in a clever way) You would think that, given this is a compulsory process, the sale of part of a portfolio would be managed to maintain max diversity. With Autobid buying more than one part in a loan, max £100, they should plan to keep at least one part in as many loans as possible.
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Post by jamesc on Aug 23, 2017 17:13:05 GMT
Probably fine as long as you are well diversified as there will be defaults (i would say min 50 loans). Main thing about this that would worry me is if you decide to withdraw some of your money you don't know what FC will sell for you so you may well be left with a less diversified portfolio than you would like (unless they sell down in a clever way) You would think that, given this is a compulsory process, the sale of part of a portfolio would be managed to maintain max diversity. With Autobid buying more than one part in a loan, max £100, they should plan to keep at least one part in as many loans as possible. Given the new autobid will only buy £100 max size pieces what happens to all the older £100+ size pieces if the owner want to sell their portfolio ? Are FC going to cut up all the £100+ parts into smaller chunks ?
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