ptr120
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Post by ptr120 on Aug 10, 2021 19:49:55 GMT
Everything is clear and nothing is clear. No breakdown of what the units were sold for, and what the freehold was sold for. No information on if a deposit has been paid. No information about if PG's are being pursued.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 10, 2021 20:10:30 GMT
Everything is clear and nothing is clear. No breakdown of what the units were sold for, and what the freehold was sold for. No information on if a deposit has been paid. No information about if PG's are being pursued. It was all one lot FH with 4 apartments. Deposit paid before you bid and legally binding contracts signed immediately auction concludes.
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Post by ped on Aug 14, 2021 20:08:10 GMT
Any wild guesses as to the percentage return we might get on this? < or > 10%
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Post by qlassa on Aug 17, 2021 21:47:30 GMT
Any wild guesses as to the percentage return we might get on this? < or > 10% My wild guess would be 25% recovery. Say 50k sold price for 39 units, less 900k building costs and 500k rent guarantee, it would leave us 500k vs a 2mn loan balance.
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Post by TitoPuente on Aug 18, 2021 8:40:41 GMT
There is an Estimated Outcome Statement dated 31/01/2020 in the website that can be used to base guesses.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 18, 2021 9:35:49 GMT
There is an Estimated Outcome Statement dated 31/01/2020 in the website that can be used to base guesses. Somewhat out of date but you can use the figures in the last admin report to compare - 25% is probably the top, 20% the more likely. Admin had £600k on account, freehold proceeds will probably cover outstanding admin fees, then you have to knock off the trading loss produced by the rent guarantee c£70k and any further costs which makes £500k probably the top return to investors.
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Post by mw on Oct 26, 2021 16:07:55 GMT
Administrators' progress report dated 28th September available at Companies House.
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Post by queenvictoria on Oct 27, 2021 7:36:36 GMT
Administrators' progress report dated 28th September available at Companies House. Thanks for that mw. Co number is 10424502 if anyone else want to look it up. Do I conclude from the report that: 1. The sale of the remaining assets was completed in September 2021 (para 2.3) 2. The administraors plan to file to liquidate the company on or before 22 Feb 2022 (para 6) 3. £2m+ is owed to MT and a further £185k to another secured creditor (para 3.1) and 4. £559k is available for distribution (appendix 1) ? Perhaps someone is more familar with adminstration would check if this is right. Have all admin fees been paid in the costs shown or it this to be deducted from the £559k?
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Post by shw on Oct 27, 2021 9:31:34 GMT
Just speed read Moorfields report. I cannot believe this was accepted by anybody its full of errors. Clock hours as £ values, Sale Price explains nothing,wrong numbers. A real professional Administrators report at about £375 to £700 an hour !! Look at the fees in the breakdown,impressive work if you can get it. Another complete FU by MT.
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Post by mw on Oct 28, 2021 11:01:55 GMT
Do I conclude from the report that: 1. The sale of the remaining assets was completed in September 2021 (para 2.3) It appears so. Assuming no wrinkles, this will have had the beneficial effect of determining the otherwise ongoing rent guarantees payable by the administrators. 2. The administraors plan to file to liquidate the company on or before 22 Feb 2022 (para 6) 3. £2m+ is owed to MT and a further £185k to another secured creditor (para 3.1) That was the position at the start of the administration. and 4. £559k is available for distribution (appendix 1) ? No. There remains the question of the administrators' fees. Only £130,000 has been paid to date. I read Appendix VI as suggesting that the total payable will be c. £280,000, while noting that £400,000 (at scale rates) has been incurred to August. The proceeds of the freehold sale (less associated costs) have yet to come into the figures. And, no doubt, a number of other matters to be settled up. I don't know why there is £169k of the £559k sitting in a "suspense" account. How will that turn into cash ? I'm not sure what lies behind the payment of an intergroup loan of £208,200. We possibly see (substantially) an other side of this in Prestbury Property Developments Ltd. Anything to come back in here ? I don't know.
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Post by TitoPuente on Feb 21, 2022 10:27:51 GMT
Aministration extended again even when all assets have been sold. The courts are a joke.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 21, 2022 15:50:32 GMT
Aministration extended again even when all assets have been sold. The courts are a joke. There are potential claims against third parties outstanding which the administrators are duty bound to pursue if they may realise a return to creditors. Next report is due this week so maybe become clearer once that is released (expect a little sheep will share it ahead of CH)
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Post by TitoPuente on Mar 20, 2022 10:46:55 GMT
The finished property sold for £2.56m (freehold + leasehold), not far from the £2.73m GDV. One of the main issues that caused the loss, beside the ineptitude of the borrower-developer, was the apparent miscalculation of the rental value, at least in the ramp up period. In the period until the last admin report, there were £273.6k received in rents and £431.6k paid in rent guarantees to leaseholders. The shortfall continues to date.
In addition, it’s not clear to me why there is a cost item “Build Completion Costs” of £886.6 and an additional “T** Capital Build Facility” of £907.3 that seem to be double counting the building costs.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 20, 2022 12:15:09 GMT
The finished property sold for £2.56m (freehold + leasehold), not far from the £2.73m GDV. One of the main issues that caused the loss, beside the ineptitude of the borrower-developer, was the apparent miscalculation of the rental value, at least in the ramp up period. In the period until the last admin report, there were £273.6k received in rents and £431.6k paid in rent guarantees to leaseholders. The shortfall continues to date. In addition, it’s not clear to me why there is a cost item “Build Completion Costs” of £886.6 and an additional “T** Capital Build Facility” of £907.3 that seem to be double counting the building costs. Yeah, not quite sure why I had it realising more than GDV. Late night Its not double counting as the loan is included in income as well so the net expenditure is interest plus build costs
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Post by qlassa on Jun 19, 2022 22:06:42 GMT
hi all, do we have any update on this one? Thanks.
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