angrysaveruk
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Jul 15, 2024 18:12:34 GMT
Post by angrysaveruk on Jul 15, 2024 18:12:34 GMT
Excellent Analysis from two former senior members of the CIA, who say they think this might have been a plot to kill Trump: I mean no disrespect but you might find it interesting to look into the work histories of all three individuals before deciding how much credibility you want to give them. I am aware these individuals are enemies of the Deep State.
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Jul 15, 2024 18:21:57 GMT
Post by michaelc on Jul 15, 2024 18:21:57 GMT
Excellent Analysis from two former senior members of the CIA, who say they think this might have been a plot to kill Trump: I mean no disrespect but you might find it interesting to look into the work histories of all three individuals before deciding how much credibility you want to give them. Why not provide a brief summary to save us some work if you've already done it ? Edit: Watched the first 5 minutes so far and wlil probably watych the rest later. The guy on the right bored me a bit I must confess but the chap on the left talking about the operational setup and speculating was good I thought. So far he suggested the police etc may well have thought the shooter was one of them and/or SS. To me that's a good explanation as to why the police appeared to ignore the crowed who pointed out the shooter _minutes_ before he let rip. angrysaveruk My suspicion at this point is of general lack of SS resource provided to Trump but also of incompetence on their part. 20% of me thinks it could have been a state sponsored assassination but we'll never know I assume.
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Jul 15, 2024 19:12:28 GMT
Post by angrysaveruk on Jul 15, 2024 19:12:28 GMT
I mean no disrespect but you might find it interesting to look into the work histories of all three individuals before deciding how much credibility you want to give them. Why not provide a brief summary to save us some work if you've already done it ? Edit: Watched the first 5 minutes so far and wlil probably watych the rest later. The guy on the right bored me a bit I must confess but the chap on the left talking about the operational setup and speculating was good I thought. So far he suggested the police etc may well have thought the shooter was one of them and/or SS. To me that's a good explanation as to why the police appeared to ignore the crowed who pointed out the shooter _minutes_ before he let rip. angrysaveruk My suspicion at this point is of general lack of SS resource provided to Trump but also of incompetence on their part. 20% of me thinks it could have been a state sponsored assassination but we'll never know I assume. Definitely worth watching the whole thing. They talk about a Police officer "Jon Willis" who has come forward and said he was told by the secret service not to shoot the gunman - which if it is correct is very serious and has echoes of the JFK assassination conspiracies linked to the secret service involvement. They also both suggest that they will not be surprised if some of the people who have come forward with information "disappear". Ray Mcgovern (the guy on the right), is very old he is in his 90s so does ramble a bit - but he is a veteran of the CIA and knows how the deep state works.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 15, 2024 20:00:12 GMT
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Jul 15, 2024 20:43:33 GMT
Post by bracknellboy on Jul 15, 2024 20:43:33 GMT
Personally I feel while possible its unlikely unless it turns out the sniper had some serious training by the US army or something.... Had he some "serious training by the US army or something" he wouldn't have missed. He also wouldn't have been using an AR-15, a weapon poorly suited to do such a whack job. He'd have used a sniper rifle. But no doubt the "excellent analysis" posted earlier manages to explain that particular wrinkle away. 'Cos its the deep state ain't it.
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Jul 15, 2024 20:56:03 GMT
Post by bracknellboy on Jul 15, 2024 20:56:03 GMT
This is a very good eye witness account of the events. Either the Secret Service is totally incompetent and should all be sacked or this was an attempt to "JFK" Trump: I'm surprised no-one has commented on this gentleman's sun visor hat. Take a good look. No suckering him into buying excess Trump merchandise
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Jul 15, 2024 20:56:07 GMT
Post by michaelc on Jul 15, 2024 20:56:07 GMT
Had he some "serious training by the US army or something" he wouldn't have missed. He also wouldn't have been using an AR-15, a weapon poorly suited to do such a whack job. He'd have used a sniper rifle. But no doubt the "excellent analysis" posted earlier manages to explain that particular wrinkle away. 'Cos its the deep state ain't it. For some reason you appear to know quite a bit about firearms but wouldn't it be difficult to carry a sniper rifle up there without looking even more suspicious? Also, if it was a whack job as you put it, doesn't it actually make sense that it was carried out by a complete amateur who was then shot dead thus ensuring no beans are spilled ? Here is the apparent source of this rumour. I agree it doesn't look credible at all but so what? I'm sure there are dozens of idiots who frequent boards like that posting up all sorts of lies and it doesn't move the state-hit-job vs lone-wolf dial a millimetre. boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/474066576/they-wouldnt-let-me-take-out-the-shooter
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Jul 15, 2024 20:56:54 GMT
Post by michaelc on Jul 15, 2024 20:56:54 GMT
This is a very good eye witness account of the events. Either the Secret Service is totally incompetent and should all be sacked or this was an attempt to "JFK" Trump: I'm surprised no-one has commented on this gentleman's sun visor hat. Take a good look. No suckering him into buying excess Trump merchandise He was at the rally and interviewed shortly after.
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Jul 15, 2024 20:58:14 GMT
Post by agent69 on Jul 15, 2024 20:58:14 GMT
Had he some "serious training by the US army or something" he wouldn't have missed. He also wouldn't have been using an AR-15, a weapon poorly suited to do such a whack job. He'd have used a sniper rifle. But no doubt the "excellent analysis" posted earlier manages to explain that particular wrinkle away. 'Cos its the deep state ain't it. I thought he used his farther's gun?
If it was a deep state plot you would think they would pick somebody who knew which end of the gun to point at the target. Thing that amazes me is that given how close he was to the target, how did he manage to miss a blob of lard the width of Trump.
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Post by overthehill on Jul 15, 2024 20:59:14 GMT
Appoint your own corrupt pocket judge. That would solve prison overcrowding if rolled out universally.
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Jul 15, 2024 21:11:00 GMT
Post by bracknellboy on Jul 15, 2024 21:11:00 GMT
He also wouldn't have been using an AR-15, a weapon poorly suited to do such a whack job. He'd have used a sniper rifle. But no doubt the "excellent analysis" posted earlier manages to explain that particular wrinkle away. 'Cos its the deep state ain't it. I thought he used his farther's gun?
If it was a deep state plot you would think they would pick somebody who knew which end of the gun to point at the target. Thing that amazes me is that given how close he was to the target, how did he manage to miss a blob of lard the width of Trump.
Ah yes but you are falling into the trap of applying Occam's razor you see. Looked through that particular lens, the most likely reason he used an AR-15 is because he isn't a highly trained deep state asset, doesn't have access to or know how to acquire a proper sniper rifle, but is a bit of a nut job who could easily lay his hand on his father's firearms (and if not he could have gone to a shop and brought it, and then gone to WalMart and brought the ammunition from a vending machine). But that is so simple it couldn't possibly be true. It's obvious he must be a highly trained deep state asset, who knows that he should be using a decent sniper rifle that he is practised in, significantly increasing his chances of success. And therefore his decision to instead help himself to his father's AR-15 was self evidently a very deliberate one, made to cover his traces and make it look like he wasn't the well oiled, highly trained killing machine that he actually was. Obvious right ?
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Jul 15, 2024 21:12:17 GMT
Post by bracknellboy on Jul 15, 2024 21:12:17 GMT
I'm surprised no-one has commented on this gentleman's sun visor hat. Take a good look. No suckering him into buying excess Trump merchandise He was at the rally and interviewed shortly after. You need to look more closely. I wasn't suggesting he wasn't at the rally. I watched the interview shortly after it was published.
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ilmoro
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Jul 15, 2024 23:23:25 GMT
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 15, 2024 23:23:25 GMT
He was at the rally and interviewed shortly after. You need to look more closely. I wasn't suggesting he wasn't at the rally. I watched the interview shortly after it was published. His hat ... surely more important he had 20/20 vision to spot the sniper 🙄
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angrysaveruk
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Jul 16, 2024 6:17:18 GMT
Post by angrysaveruk on Jul 16, 2024 6:17:18 GMT
It may or may not be true. 4Chan has been used in the past by whistle blowers - for example it was used to dump some of the more warped contents of the Hunter Biden laptop. Which the main stream media (including MSN) also said was a hoax at the time. As the ex CIA operatives point out, it was immediately obvious to me the fact they shot the gun man seconds after he fired at Trump suggest that someone already had him in their scope - this then opens the question if they had him in their scope why did they not shoot immediately supporting the idea someone was told not to take out the assassin. As the ex CIA operatives said if this is true this individual needs to go into hiding and might have made this post for his own safety. Anyhow you should have learnt by now listening to the MSM is probably a waste of time on anything like this - given your 180 turn around on your opinions on Russia losing the war in Ukraine.
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Jul 16, 2024 8:35:03 GMT
Post by benaj on Jul 16, 2024 8:35:03 GMT
Well, now the shooter is dead and it seems Trump is not worried anymore. Picking Vance as his running mate is an interesting choice. Vance himself appeals like an “American dream” who has said a few bad things about Trump before he supports him. youtu.be/Jv5pGTG_Kjc
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