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Jun 28, 2024 7:36:12 GMT
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Post by benaj on Jun 28, 2024 7:36:12 GMT
I don’t follow the politics in the states much, but I did enjoy watching the “key moments” of the debate on Beeb.
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Jun 28, 2024 7:41:05 GMT
Post by adrianc on Jun 28, 2024 7:41:05 GMT
Probably too late to have him step down (although I had previously read that 'going early' on the debates was part of a strategy to test him out with time to go). What process is going to select a new candidate at this stage. Official selection isn't until the party conference in late August - two months' time. The process is simple - whatever the party agree as the best way to select a candidate...
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Post by registerme on Jun 28, 2024 7:53:12 GMT
I haven't watched it, but I think this is the full debate:-
EDIT: Turned it off half way through Biden's first response, which was... horrible to watch.
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Post by registerme on Jun 28, 2024 9:03:00 GMT
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Jun 28, 2024 9:42:13 GMT
Post by keitha on Jun 28, 2024 9:42:13 GMT
One assumes that should Biden become too ill / frail between the selection and election day the vice presidential candidate steps up, and a new vice choice is chosen, or is it the case that a new pair would be picked.
Of course this is playing into the hands / "brains" of Trump supporters who claim that Biden is a puppet for the deep state and that they need Trump to dismantle it, and that his faltering performance whilst he waits to be told what to say and how he stumbles over simple “We finally beat Medicare.” shows he's dolally or that's perhaps his real opinion, and to bring up young women being killed by migrants ...
Trump on the other hand lied, "I didn't have sex with a porn star" is that a Bill Clinton statement, did he have PE, or they only did things he doesn't consider sex ...
Either way I feel for the septics, we think our choice is bad, the choice they have is terrible
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Jun 28, 2024 13:08:07 GMT
Post by michaelc on Jun 28, 2024 13:08:07 GMT
One assumes that should Biden become too ill / frail between the selection and election day the vice presidential candidate steps up, and a new vice choice is chosen, or is it the case that a new pair would be picked. Of course this is playing into the hands / "brains" of Trump supporters who claim that Biden is a puppet for the deep state and that they need Trump to dismantle it, and that his faltering performance whilst he waits to be told what to say and how he stumbles over simple “We finally beat Medicare.” shows he's dolally or that's perhaps his real opinion, and to bring up young women being killed by migrants ... Trump on the other hand lied, "I didn't have sex with a porn star" is that a Bill Clinton statement, did he have PE, or they only did things he doesn't consider sex ... Either way I feel for the septics, we think our choice is bad, the choice they have is terrible Making me wonder at 28:1 if a bet on Kamala is justified.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 28, 2024 13:24:45 GMT
One assumes that should Biden become too ill / frail between the selection and election day the vice presidential candidate steps up, and a new vice choice is chosen, or is it the case that a new pair would be picked. Of course this is playing into the hands / "brains" of Trump supporters who claim that Biden is a puppet for the deep state and that they need Trump to dismantle it, and that his faltering performance whilst he waits to be told what to say and how he stumbles over simple “We finally beat Medicare.” shows he's dolally or that's perhaps his real opinion, and to bring up young women being killed by migrants ... Trump on the other hand lied, "I didn't have sex with a porn star" is that a Bill Clinton statement, did he have PE, or they only did things he doesn't consider sex ... Either way I feel for the septics, we think our choice is bad, the choice they have is terrible Making me wonder at 28:1 if a bet on Kamala is justified. do you have any inside knowledge ?
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keitha
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Jun 28, 2024 13:54:29 GMT
Post by keitha on Jun 28, 2024 13:54:29 GMT
One assumes that should Biden become too ill / frail between the selection and election day the vice presidential candidate steps up, and a new vice choice is chosen, or is it the case that a new pair would be picked. Of course this is playing into the hands / "brains" of Trump supporters who claim that Biden is a puppet for the deep state and that they need Trump to dismantle it, and that his faltering performance whilst he waits to be told what to say and how he stumbles over simple “We finally beat Medicare.” shows he's dolally or that's perhaps his real opinion, and to bring up young women being killed by migrants ... Trump on the other hand lied, "I didn't have sex with a porn star" is that a Bill Clinton statement, did he have PE, or they only did things he doesn't consider sex ... Either way I feel for the septics, we think our choice is bad, the choice they have is terrible Making me wonder at 28:1 if a bet on Kamala is justified. given she was 40/1 just over a week ago flipping heck in what should be a 2 horse race betfair have Biden at nearly 5/1 Gavin Newsom ( california Governor ) is rated higher than Harris If Biden performs badly in the next debate maybe the men in grey suits ( or their US equivalents ) will have a quiet word ...
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Jun 28, 2024 14:02:13 GMT
Post by angrysaveruk on Jun 28, 2024 14:02:13 GMT
I mean seriously what the hell is this guy talking about. Total word salad, this guy needs to sort his mind out*. * - if I was him I would start by dumping this wishy washy left wing thinking that has obviously not done him any good mentally
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Jun 28, 2024 14:42:29 GMT
Post by michaelc on Jun 28, 2024 14:42:29 GMT
Definitely no inside knowledge (!). After the performance last night, and rumours etc is he really going to want to carry on and is he going to be able to? Remember 28 is a large number - we're not betting on what is more likely. Far from it. I just feel if we had a time machine and ran this scenario 28 times (or 27 is it Berny I can't be bothered to think about it.... ) at least one of those would result in Harris taking over.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 28, 2024 15:09:16 GMT
Definitely no inside knowledge (!). After the performance last night, and rumours etc is he really going to want to carry on and is he going to be able to? Remember 28 is a large number - we're not betting on what is more likely. Far from it. I just feel if we had a time machine and ran this scenario 28 times (or 27 is it Berny I can't be bothered to think about it.... ) at least one of those would result in Harris taking over. jsut to be clear; i was making a joke, based on the separate election thread. I realise entirely why you may want to take a punt, esp. at 28:1
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keitha
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Jun 28, 2024 15:09:42 GMT
Post by keitha on Jun 28, 2024 15:09:42 GMT
it's just words "if I were some body which I'm not ..... attack constructively not just Trump but the fallback"
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Jun 28, 2024 15:24:51 GMT
Post by keitha on Jun 28, 2024 15:24:51 GMT
Definitely no inside knowledge (!). After the performance last night, and rumours etc is he really going to want to carry on and is he going to be able to? Remember 28 is a large number - we're not betting on what is more likely. Far from it. I just feel if we had a time machine and ran this scenario 28 times (or 27 is it Berny I can't be bothered to think about it.... ) at least one of those would result in Harris taking over. as I said the men in Grey suits, party grandees etc If they see that there is a chance of Biden damaging the chances of holding the White house and the senate ( the democrats have 20 seats up for grabs the republicans only 11 ) then pressure will come on Biden to step aside. my information from the US is that Biden thinks he did well, but then Trump thinks he won by a knockout. If he thinks he did well why would he even think of standing aside. I honestly believe whoever wins there will be chaos, the left will hate the idea of another 4 years of Trump, the right will claim poll rigging and all sorts, either way I can see quite widespread unrest
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Jun 28, 2024 15:32:29 GMT
Post by Steerpike on Jun 28, 2024 15:32:29 GMT
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Post by iRobot on Jun 28, 2024 18:02:53 GMT
Anybody see last night's debate? Hearing the reports on R4 this morning, sounds like a disaster for Biden. Surely, they have to persuade him to step down...? Here's a transcript of the debate ... sort of A sample:
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