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Post by bracknellboy on May 28, 2024 13:46:25 GMT
Is this the same Donald Trump that wanted to use a nuke to blow up a hurricane? or inject bleach into yourself to get rid of Covid infections
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Post by registerme on May 28, 2024 14:42:05 GMT
angrysaveruk could you do me a favour please? Could you find me one example of a prediction made by Colonel Douglas MacGregor, concerning Russia's invasion of Ukraine, since February 2022, that has turned out to be correct?
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Post by michaelc on May 28, 2024 17:01:52 GMT
Is this the same Donald Trump that wanted to use a nuke to blow up a hurricane? I'm not going to put him down for thinking a little outside the box. I'd rather that than have every word and hand gesture coordinated by advisors so he doesn't make any gaffs. Most importantly as far as I'm concerned I do believe he will stop the war in Ukraine soon after being voted in.
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Post by benaj on May 28, 2024 17:56:53 GMT
TBFH, the only one stopped invasion quick was the Iron Lady. I can’t remember the World Police’s records of quick success, may be WWII was quick enough.
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Post by angrysaveruk on May 28, 2024 17:58:58 GMT
angrysaveruk could you do me a favour please? Could you find me one example of a prediction made by Colonel Douglas MacGregor, concerning Russia's invasion of Ukraine, since February 2022, that has turned out to be correct? That is pretty easy, although everyone with an ounce of common sense has made the same prediction: "Ukraine cannot win in a war against Russia and need to negotiate a peace settlement before their country is destroyed". * * - If you look back I made the same prediction at the start of this conflict (going totally against the MSM narrative on this thread) using zero military knowledge other than the common knowledge that Russia is a Military and Scientific superpower. I then combined this with some basic knowledge of history including the destruction of the armies of the Third Reich and Napoleon by the Russians to reach the very obvious conclusion. There is no magic to using common sense to make predictions like this, but you have either got it or you havent.
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Post by registerme on May 28, 2024 18:35:33 GMT
angrysaveruk could you do me a favour please? Could you find me one example of a prediction made by Colonel Douglas MacGregor, concerning Russia's invasion of Ukraine, since February 2022, that has turned out to be correct? That is pretty easy, although everyone with an ounce of common sense has made the same prediction: "Ukraine cannot win in a war against Russia and need to negotiate a peace settlement before their country is destroyed". * * - If you look back I made the same prediction at the start of this conflict (going totally against the MSM narrative on this thread) using zero military knowledge other than the common knowledge that Russia is a Military and Scientific superpower. I then combined this with some basic knowledge of history including the destruction of the armies of the Third Reich and Napoleon by the Russians to reach the very obvious conclusion. There is no magic to using common sense to make predictions like this, but you have either got it or you havent. 1. Failed comprehension - it has yet to have turned out to be correct. 2. You'll have heard of Minard then. This is quite a famous image. One thing to note about it is that Napoleon invaded Russia. Not the other way around. 3. Re the Third Reich / Hitler / Barbarossa etc, see above. 4. Russia as a military superpower has been shown up to be something of an Emperor without clothes, no? Otherwise why has their three day "special military operation" lasted more than two years? 5. Russia as a scientific superpower? Err, no.
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Post by angrysaveruk on May 28, 2024 18:49:06 GMT
That is pretty easy, although everyone with an ounce of common sense has made the same prediction: "Ukraine cannot win in a war against Russia and need to negotiate a peace settlement before their country is destroyed". * * - If you look back I made the same prediction at the start of this conflict (going totally against the MSM narrative on this thread) using zero military knowledge other than the common knowledge that Russia is a Military and Scientific superpower. I then combined this with some basic knowledge of history including the destruction of the armies of the Third Reich and Napoleon by the Russians to reach the very obvious conclusion. There is no magic to using common sense to make predictions like this, but you have either got it or you havent. 1. Failed comprehension - it has yet to have turned out to be correct. At some point you are going to have to wake up to the reality of the situation, when that will happen I cant say and it wont be easy for you since you are obviously very emotionally invested in this conflict for some reason. I think most people at this stage know Ukraine have lost this war and their military has been decimated. The Colonel has estimated 600,000+ Ukrainians killed and over a million injured - terrible.
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Post by registerme on May 28, 2024 19:20:16 GMT
Eh, well, I'm certainly not 100% confident that Ukraine will "win" (however that is defined), but that's a long way from accepting that Russia has already won.
If Ukraine had already lost 600k dead and over 1m wounded it wouldn't have an army left. Somebody is certainly stopping the Russia army from waltzing down the main boulevard in Odessa with a flower in its mouth, ergo it's an absurd estimate.
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Post by ilmoro on May 28, 2024 19:39:55 GMT
angrysaveruk could you do me a favour please? Could you find me one example of a prediction made by Colonel Douglas MacGregor, concerning Russia's invasion of Ukraine, since February 2022, that has turned out to be correct? That is pretty easy, although everyone with an ounce of common sense has made the same prediction: "Ukraine cannot win in a war against Russia and need to negotiate a peace settlement before their country is destroyed". * * - If you look back I made the same prediction at the start of this conflict (going totally against the MSM narrative on this thread) using zero military knowledge other than the common knowledge that Russia is a Military and Scientific superpower. I then combined this with some basic knowledge of history including the destruction of the armies of the Third Reich and Napoleon by the Russians to reach the very obvious conclusion. There is no magic to using common sense to make predictions like this, but you have either got it or you havent. You havent ... basic knowledge of history would show your two examples are largely irrelevant to the current context. if factually questionable ... not least because they are both going the other way and required the Russians/Soviets to do the very thing you say the Ukrainians shouldnt.
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Post by bracknellboy on May 28, 2024 19:51:29 GMT
angrysaveruk could you do me a favour please? Could you find me one example of a prediction made by Colonel Douglas MacGregor, concerning Russia's invasion of Ukraine, since February 2022, that has turned out to be correct? That is pretty easy, although everyone with an ounce of common sense has made the same prediction: "Ukraine cannot win in a war against Russia and need to negotiate a peace settlement before their country is destroyed". * * - If you look back I made the same prediction at the start of this conflict (going totally against the MSM narrative on this thread) using zero military knowledge other than the common knowledge that Russia is a Military and Scientific superpower. I then combined this with some basic knowledge of history including the destruction of the armies of the Third Reich and Napoleon by the Russians to reach the very obvious conclusion. There is no magic to using common sense to make predictions like this, but you have either got it or you havent. others are picking up other points. But that bolded sentence alone just demonstrates the level of reality inversion / self deception that you put forth. Just as a reminder: at the start of this conflict, nobody thought that Ukraine had a hope in hell of holding off the Russians.
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Post by michaelc on May 28, 2024 20:05:56 GMT
That is pretty easy, although everyone with an ounce of common sense has made the same prediction: "Ukraine cannot win in a war against Russia and need to negotiate a peace settlement before their country is destroyed". * * - If you look back I made the same prediction at the start of this conflict (going totally against the MSM narrative on this thread) using zero military knowledge other than the common knowledge that Russia is a Military and Scientific superpower. I then combined this with some basic knowledge of history including the destruction of the armies of the Third Reich and Napoleon by the Russians to reach the very obvious conclusion. There is no magic to using common sense to make predictions like this, but you have either got it or you havent. others are picking up other points. But that bolded sentence alone just demonstrates the level of reality inversion / self deception that you put forth. Just as a reminder: at the start of this conflict, nobody thought that Ukraine had a hope in hell of holding off the Russians. Definitely not the case except at the very, very start - first few days after the invasion. The overwhelming impression from MSM for months and months even right up to the so-called "counter-offensive" build up last year was highly positive for Ukraine.
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Post by rscal on May 28, 2024 20:59:29 GMT
others are picking up other points. ... as a reminder: at the start of this conflict, nobody thought that Ukraine had a hope in hell of holding off the Russians. Definitely not the case except at the very, very start - first few days after the invasion. The overwhelming impression from MSM for months and months even right up to the so-called "counter-offensive" build up last year was highly positive for Ukraine. The Russians aren't saying what they thought they would acheive how quickly. But since April '22 when Ukraine pulled out of the putative peace talks that would have ended the fighting and saved half a million lives subsequently lost they have fought a staightforward campaign of 'attrition'. Remember that modern surveillance and the introduction of drones greatly complicates the role of the attacker, however strong, so Russia is obliged to use their grinding approach against the fixed defences of the Ukrainians. In all this, Russia has fought 'cleanly' in comparison to the sneak attacks on civilians (and POWs) carried out against it. These attacks are not militarilty meaningful so Russia id not compelled go 'all out' and just sticks to what works. The result appears least dramatic to those of us raised on World War 2 folklore (and us 'shock and awe' sort duration campaigns) of course
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Post by ilmoro on May 28, 2024 21:42:01 GMT
Definitely not the case except at the very, very start - first few days after the invasion. The overwhelming impression from MSM for months and months even right up to the so-called "counter-offensive" build up last year was highly positive for Ukraine. The Russians aren't saying what they thought they would acheive how quickly. But since April '22 when Ukraine , in part due to the discovery of apparent Russian war crimes at Bucha & other places, pulled out of the putative peace talks that would might have ended the fighting and saved half a million lives subsequently lost they have been forced to fight fought a staightforward campaign of 'attrition', especially after Ukraine recaptured significant territory in the autumn. Remember that modern surveillance and the introduction of drones greatly complicates the role of the attacker, however strong, so Russia is obliged to use their grinding approach against the fixed defences of the Ukrainians. In all this, Russia has fought 'cleanly' while indiscriminately attacking civilian targets contrary to the laws of war, in comparison to the sneak attacks on civilians (and POWs) carried out against it. These Ukranian attacks have inflicted significant damage on the Russian Navy and some infrastucture are not militarilty meaningful so. Russia id not able compelled go 'all out' and just sticks to what kills the most of its troops works. The result appears least less dramatic to those of us raised on World War 2 folklore (and us US 'shock and awe' short duration campaigns) of course because it is.Looks like chartgp went rogue, so Ive fixed it for you
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Post by angrysaveruk on May 28, 2024 23:42:16 GMT
Eh, well, I'm certainly not 100% confident that Ukraine will "win" (however that is defined), but that's a long way from accepting that Russia has already won. If Ukraine had already lost 600k dead and over 1m wounded it wouldn't have an army left. Somebody is certainly stopping the Russia army from waltzing down the main boulevard in Odessa with a flower in its mouth, ergo it's an absurd estimate.
That is why they are going round dragging civilians off the street, lowering the age of conscription, trying to force countries to send Ukrainian refugees abroad back to fight and the US Pentagon is saying they have a serious man-power shortage.
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Post by ilmoro on May 29, 2024 8:59:16 GMT
Eh, well, I'm certainly not 100% confident that Ukraine will "win" (however that is defined), but that's a long way from accepting that Russia has already won. If Ukraine had already lost 600k dead and over 1m wounded it wouldn't have an army left. Somebody is certainly stopping the Russia army from waltzing down the main boulevard in Odessa with a flower in its mouth, ergo it's an absurd estimate.
That is why they are going round dragging civilians off the street, lowering the age of conscription, trying to force countries to send Ukrainian refugees abroad back to fight and the US Pentagon is saying they have a serious man-power shortage.
They do have a manpower shortage but it is a false correlation to assume that has to be from losses, which every realistic attempt to quantify has put much lower for both sides than official claims by opponent/proxies 1) Russia has deployed more troops so Ukraine needs to increase to compensate 2) Much longer, static front requires more troops than initial fluid phase 3) Shortage of munitions and disparity with Russians requires more troops to compensate, despite the advantage of current defensive posture and even more if want to move onto offensive 4) Troop rotation, many existing forces have been in the line for a long tme & Russain pressure has restricted ability to rotate 5) Level of service avoidance for original mobilisation, estimated at 600,000, inevitably requires more punitive measures & widening of the cohort to compensate, also desertion levels are apparently significant ... dont think they are raiding the prisons yet.
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