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Post by propertycalf on Jan 2, 2018 15:20:08 GMT
If PM take 100% of the rent to repay the outstanding debt on this property it will take over a year?
Then they intend to take 10% to re-build the provision fund.. Over a year without any rental income?
I think its unfair to spring that one investors. The property was vacant for a long time and I understand it may incur charges etc, but once again PM don't miss out, they pass on the loss to the investors.
I'm waiting on a proper reply from them...
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Post by damar on Jan 2, 2018 20:14:57 GMT
Hi, we are collecting names for a PM Action group, please see the PM Action group thread.
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Post by penguinz on Jan 5, 2018 0:29:17 GMT
Hi,
I have been invested in this property since the very beginning. I think the management of this property has been appalling. I was not notified of this £5000 debt until the year-end update, investors should have been made aware this debt was accrueing. I hung on to this one, despite the lack of rental income,hoping for a pay-off when the term ends in 6 months. I cannot imagine a majority of the shareholders will want to hang on this property.i imagine the remainder of this debt will have to be paid out of the proceeds of the sale, further dampening returns, a share is currently worth £9.92 on the secondary market. This has been an appalling investment, I am unsure what will cost me less money, selling at £9.92, and reinvesting elsewhere, or not receiving rent for 6 months and hoping for a good sale price.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 3:48:47 GMT
I agree on SPV50 - how the **** is there a £5.1k debt on this? Was there a provision fund?
Because in PM's message they will "look to rebuild the provision fund". So it was wiped out and even then there's a £5.1k debt, or there wasn't a provision fund?
At this stage, what the hell is the point of voting on any future tenant in SPV50. Since all the money will go to PM from rent I could see people voting against any tenant just to prevent that happening, out of spite.
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Post by sayyestocress on Jan 5, 2018 9:02:38 GMT
Thankfully I've just got out of this one at a 2.1% capital loss (some brave soul would have paid 9.99 per share after PM take their fee for facilitating the chance to own such a great investment...). I gambled that selling out now will be less painful than holding onto it earning nothing whilst it queues up in the PM SPV end of term backlog down the line and exits at a value less than it was originally listed to the crowd based on PM's back catalogue of BTS end of term exits, or is sold off the platform at who knows what price? Now if only someone will buy SPV 47 and all my lemons will be gone!
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Post by propertycalf on Jan 5, 2018 15:26:23 GMT
After messaging PM about them basically penalizing patient investors by springing loan repayments that take 100% of the rental income away.
They did seem open to potentially lowering the percentage of the loan repayment each month to repay some return the investors.
I would urge anyone still in this one to message them and add pressure for them to reconsider the current situation and pay out rental!
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Post by jnm21 on Jan 7, 2018 14:08:10 GMT
After messaging PM about them basically penalizing patient investors by springing loan repayments that take 100% of the rental income away. They did seem open to potentially lowering the percentage of the loan repayment each month to repay some return the investors. I would urge anyone still in this one to message them and add pressure for them to reconsider the current situation and pay out rental! I don't see, aside from the interest free loan & assurance of minimal money back sooner (if any rent is achieved), what this would get you? As for the suggestion that people no vote if asked just to make PM wait longer, that seems crazy.
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Post by propertycalf on Jan 7, 2018 19:38:12 GMT
After messaging PM about them basically penalizing patient investors by springing loan repayments that take 100% of the rental income away. They did seem open to potentially lowering the percentage of the loan repayment each month to repay some return the investors. I would urge anyone still in this one to message them and add pressure for them to reconsider the current situation and pay out rental! I don't see, aside from the interest free loan & assurance of minimal money back sooner (if any rent is achieved), what this would get you? As for the suggestion that people no vote if asked just to make PM wait longer, that seems crazy. Well it was vacant for a long time and then now it has a tenant, pm have decided to take 100% of rent to pay off a loan from themselves without any consultation or vote. I'm not sure how other investors feel about it, but if hassling them a little makes them return a percentage of the rent back to shareholders, It's worth it!
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Post by jnm21 on Jan 7, 2018 20:07:13 GMT
I understand the idea, but if there was a large amount of work done, would you not have expected them to use any PF then the rent?
I think the new boss has come in & found thousands of interest-free loans that he percieves to be an over-generous attempt to appease investors who may otherwise revolt at the idea of no rent for months.
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Post by propertycalf on Jan 15, 2018 22:46:32 GMT
Bit of an update for anyone involved in this one..
They won't budge on paying a penny of the rent back to investors.
So there is to be a vote on cutting the term short and putting the property up for sale..Wonder how people will vote after it being made clear their gaurenteed absolutely no rental income from this investment?
Hold shares of a vacant property on the understanding if there is a tenant application your likely to receive rent, when it finally materialises, this is the reward for your patience.
Strange situation when there is finally a tenant in situ, then the powers that be decide to effectively disable it as a viable investment to ensure their interests are secure.
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Post by ozboy on Jan 15, 2018 22:57:13 GMT
I'm not in Property Moose, have never considered it, and don't think I will be. I find all the postings, errrr, interesting.
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Post by propertycalf on Jan 16, 2018 10:05:04 GMT
Admittedly alot of the comments on here are posted in frustration.
My returns haven't been as bad as some have reported, but the way its run needs adjusting
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Post by sayyestocress on Jan 16, 2018 10:50:58 GMT
They won't budge on paying a penny of the rent back to investors. That's a bit cheeky (to say the least) seeing as the month they actually found a tenant they said dividend next month. Next month came and there was no dividend because something like tenant finders fee ate all the rent, but dividend would pay out next month. Then next month came and the update was 'by the way the SPV owes us a few grand so don't expect any money'. All paraphrasing of course. I would be mighty angry If I had bought shares based on 'dividend next month' only to find there won't be any dividends for many months when PM would have known there was a debt to PM on the SPV and they had not disclosed it.
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Post by propertycalf on Jan 16, 2018 12:00:37 GMT
They won't budge on paying a penny of the rent back to investors. That's a bit cheeky (to say the least) seeing as the month they actually found a tenant they said dividend next month. Next month came and there was no dividend because something like tenant finders fee ate all the rent, but dividend would pay out next month. Then next month came and the update was 'by the way the SPV owes us a few grand so don't expect any money'. All paraphrasing of course. I would be mighty angry If I had bought shares based on 'dividend next month' only to find there won't be any dividends for many months when PM would have known there was a debt to PM on the SPV and they had not disclosed it. That is exactly my point.. Am I being unreasonable by saying I have been mislead by these mixed messages? I actually increased my holding based on the information that was available at the time
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Post by sayyestocress on Jan 16, 2018 14:48:08 GMT
That's a bit cheeky (to say the least) seeing as the month they actually found a tenant they said dividend next month. Next month came and there was no dividend because something like tenant finders fee ate all the rent, but dividend would pay out next month. Then next month came and the update was 'by the way the SPV owes us a few grand so don't expect any money'. All paraphrasing of course. I would be mighty angry If I had bought shares based on 'dividend next month' only to find there won't be any dividends for many months when PM would have known there was a debt to PM on the SPV and they had not disclosed it. That is exactly my point.. Am I being unreasonable by saying I have been mislead by these mixed messages? I actually increased my holding based on the information that was available at the time I think you're being entirely reasonable.
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