p2ploser
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Post by p2ploser on Dec 5, 2017 19:06:29 GMT
If you’re property moose and talking about spv32 plus numerous other properties still off the secondary market, it’s 2 months and counting. Anyone any theories on why it might have taken this long and what may really be going on? Perhaps they are using the same calculator they used on all the mistakes they make with property values and rent payments.
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Post by damar on Dec 5, 2017 19:36:08 GMT
I too am not impressed. despite chasing and getting nowhere, so today I emailed one of the directors and asked.
I got an email back not from the director I emailed, but from someone else, below is the response.
Please accept my apologies for the delayed response in regards to the HMO properties being put back on the Secondary Market.
Over the last 6 or so weeks, we have been working hard to get a number of the units in the portfolio revalued. There are still some properties that we are waiting to hear back about as this is not a small undertaking.
Those properties that have been looked at have been given a desktop valuation from one (or more) PLC property companies and are 'investment valuations'. The reason for us obtaining this type of valuation initially is part of our on-going aim to offer the best exit route for all properties. We are exploring a private investor sale for some of the units, whilst others may go on the open market. You will, as ever, be asked to vote on the preferred exit strategy as and when the time comes.
Now we are starting to receive some of the investment valuations, we are getting ready to start marketing some of the units on the open market. Whilst undergoing this process, we felt it was appropriate to remove the properties being valued from the secondary market as it would be unfair to trade shares whilst we await an offer and confirmation of an updated valuation.
I hope this helps provide some insight and we aim to provide an exit as soon as possible, whether it be on the open market or by releasing again on the secondary. As soon as there is further information to disclose, will be in touch. As always, please don't hesitate to get in touch if I can assist with anything else in the meantime.
What I don't understand, is why it takes such a long time to do a desktop valuation, and why are they looking to exit (SPV41) when there is over a year left. Call me cynical but I think it the answer is a load of rubbish
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Post by p2ploser on Dec 5, 2017 21:07:19 GMT
Thanks for the info. I, like you, think is a strange answer as spv32 too has over a year left and a decent yield. I wonder if they may be trying to generate some cash by selling these properties. They only really make money when buying and selling plus with the amount of time it takes to get new properties sold to investors these days, they must be suffering. Think the sooner I can get out the better. I can see trouble ahead.
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Post by sayyestocress on Dec 6, 2017 12:14:51 GMT
What I don't understand, is why it takes such a long time to do a desktop valuation, and why are they looking to exit (SPV41) when there is over a year left. They might be getting their properties/excuses mixed up, or it could be that SPV41 is being revalued at the same time by the same people who are revaluing other HMOs that actually are at/coming to their end of term. I wouldn't have thought they're looking to exit SPV41 early. All just conjecture on my part though...
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Post by sayyestocress on Dec 6, 2017 12:18:55 GMT
... plus with the amount of time it takes to get new properties sold to investors these days, they must be suffering... Yes, this is currently my main concern with the platform. The latest new SPV and re-listing seem to have been funding for an eternity, and it's not like they are significantly bigger amounts to raise than normal like the bootle flats.
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Post by propertycalf on Dec 6, 2017 17:07:44 GMT
They don't appear to be making revaluations of properties that are vacant or severely underachieving.
Maybe they have realised they've overstretched and want some properties off their sheets, starting with profitable ones to show how great the model works?
All just guesswork on my part.. I was actually in the middle of increasing my holdings in one of these properties and I'm sure there's sellers out their who would happily want the money. It's annoying at best
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Post by damar on Dec 6, 2017 21:16:11 GMT
All just guesswork on my part.. I was actually in the middle of increasing my holdings in one of these properties and I'm sure there's sellers out their who would happily want the money. It's annoying at best I am trying to get out, so you are welcome to all my holding on SPV41
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Post by propertycalf on Dec 6, 2017 23:30:15 GMT
It was SPV32 I was buying more of.. Doesn't look like shares from either will be available until PM get their act together!
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Post by jnm21 on Dec 7, 2017 10:01:28 GMT
just conjecture on my part That is what all PM investors are left with! That & promises/valuations made in good faith...
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Post by propertycalf on Dec 14, 2017 19:37:19 GMT
Any words on spv 41? Nothing regarding spv 32..
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Post by p2ploser on Dec 15, 2017 15:12:32 GMT
Like some of the early spv’s they are now planning to sell, they confirmed that spv32 is also in this boat. I guess all the others pulled of the sm around the Same time are being revalued with a view to a sale. I still cyclically think they’re short of funds and need to sell to make some fees.
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Post by kaya on Dec 15, 2017 15:31:30 GMT
I still cyclically think they’re short of funds and need to sell to make some fees. Oh how cynical you are! Or are your thought processes just going round in circles? Assuming the sales are voted through, it will be interesting to see what the results are.
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Post by damar on Dec 15, 2017 18:46:59 GMT
i can't get anywhere apart from it takes time, this was their last response.
I hope you had a good day and thank you for the swift response.
As per my previous email, there are number of PLC property companies that are undertaking valuations. The firms include Savills, Allsops, Knight Frank, and JLL. Due to a number of companies being involved, it is more complex than a simple desktop valuation. I agree that you can get a desktop valuation done relatively efficiently (and I've done them plenty of times myself), but dealing with big firms is unfortunately not that efficient! Furthermore, this is part of our strategy and aim to do everything we can to maximise value for members and we are exploring all options on behalf of our members, as is in line with our aim to increase potential value.
This means as well as gathering information on these units, we are also creating a plan for them. This could mean that we ask shareholders to vote on any of the following options:
- let the terms mature and process the exit vote as usual (business as usual) - sell the properties on the open market - sell the properties privately
It is our hope that being proactive and ahead of timetable is value additive and something our members generally appreciate, and although communication from us can improve, most importantly, as you are the owner of the shares, you have day-to-day control over the asset meaning that we can't do anything affecting the asset without your explicit consent. You may have seen this with tenant and renovation votes that get emailed as and when the need arises. We do not want to email you until there is actually any substance or facts to support an opportunity. I can appreciate your frustration, and once again I apologise for that but as per my previous email, we are working towards providing the most optimum returns for investors.
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Post by p2ploser on Dec 15, 2017 19:14:06 GMT
I still cyclically think they’re short of funds and need to sell to make some fees. Oh how cynical you are! Or are your thought processes just going round in circles? Assuming the sales are voted through, it will be interesting to see what the results are. Not going round in circles but the logic pm are using to justify 2.5 months off the secondary market for a lot of properties, some of which have good yields and over a year left, doesn’t stand up to reason. Unless there’s another agenda. Just look at how long new and relisted properties take to fill compared to a year ago and their turnover must be suffering greatly. Just look at the fees they get for buying and selling against almost nothing for holding properties. Add this to the poor returns on exit for a lot of properties and they have disgruntled investors too. Last one out, please turn out the lights 😂
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Post by kaya on Dec 15, 2017 20:00:14 GMT
Ah, so it wasn't a typo then at all? Had me fooled!
Seriously though, yes you are absolutely right, there surely must be an 'agenda'. Seems like much-needed shake-up is in progress in the hallowed halls of Mooseland.
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